It's a belief that killing 6 million Jews (among many other people) was totally justified. Nazism isn't a "political belief" - who told you that? It's the belief that some races of people should be killed because they're not as human as white people. Or are we to allow only certain kinds of horrible politics on the show?Ĭopying your post and name, /u/Beermaniac_LT, so you can't delete it later and pretend you didn't say it. What about commies? Neo libs? This opens a huge can of worms, that should remain closed for the sake of sanity. I'm here to see them compete in forging! Nazies aren't allowed on the show because of their horrible history? Ok, fine, i get it. I don't care what the contestants political affiliations are. Why would it matter even if he was a nazi? Was he allowed to express his political beliefs on the show or act on them? This show is about forging, not politics. Now they have to live with the consequences of jumping to that conclusion, right or wrong, but they had the right to their feelings.
What we don't have the right to do is deny them permission to jump to conclusions because that was never ours to give. That doesn't mean we can't judge people by how they react-we can call them out for jumping to conclusions if we wish. Some people will jump to conclusions others will wait for a reaction or explanation from the production company. People get to react to that as they wish. The History Channel played an episode of Forged in Fire where one of the contestants was later determined to have Nazi tattoos. Having said that, it's not my place to enforce that behavior on others. I do agree that people do often jump to conclusions and that we would be better served if people were to count to ten before making up their mind on certain things. Extenuating circumstances are a real thing, and many people do take them into account when considering a reaction. It's like knocking over a glass of milk whether it was done on purpose or accidentally, the milk is still on the floor and someone who steps in it gets to react however they react. Yes, there are undoubtedly people overreacting to this but that's okay, they're allowed.
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We don't get to tell other people how to feel. Having said that, there is no right that allows the person who makes the mistake to determine how others react to it. You're right no amount of prevention will eliminate all mistakes. The point of a civil society is to have a shared understanding of where to draw the line and Nazi symbology should always be on the wrong side of the line. Allowing it to be shown on screen without comment is saying that supporting mass murder and attempted genocide is just as valid a political opinion as universal suffrage. Wearing Nazi symbology is an explicit statement in support of the Holocaust. This is not arguing the relative importance of reducing regulations and balancing the budget versus expanding social programs. It's not being a snowflake to say "I don't want to watch a show that features Nazis." It's exercising a personal choice.Īs for those who say as long as the show itself wasn't supporting white supremacy it doesn't matter, the problem is that normalizing Nazi symbology is supporting white supremacy. We are not forced to watch the show, and if they suffer lost revenue because people choose not to watch or advertise in future due to this incident: that's how business works. I think it would be stupid, but they have the right to do it.Īt the same time, we as the audience, the "paying customer," if you wish, have the right both individually and separately to respond to their actions.
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Forged in Fire is a TV show and the production company has every right to decide what is and isn't appropriate for their audience.Īt the same time, just as Forged in Fire could have refused to put him on the air, they could also choose to run an All-Nazi special to commemorate the anniversary of the Nuremburg Rallies. While it can be argued that it's political speech-albeit hateful-Forged in Fire is not the political arena.
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Now for anyone saying that it's free speech and they shouldn't have done anything about it that's not the case. His own behavior in covering up the double-sig tattoo and trying to cover the totenkopf implies that he was aware of these consequences and did not want to suffer them. At the same time, that right comes with consequences one of which is that other people have the right to judge him by what tattoos he bears. To start with, and this is speaking as a person who shares a name with an uncle who spent the War in a Nazi POW camp I believe Brandon Rader has the absolute right to those tattoos. There's a lot here to unpack, with potential issues including everything from freedom of speech to common decency.
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